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Re: Son's 88 running on only 5 cylinders (original post) (8/18)
 7/9/12 3:24pm
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I remember reading on another thread that compression had been checked and ok. Since the plugs and wires have been changed...firing order checked and rechecked...injectors are new and also checked and rechecked...i'm guessing the dist. cap has also been checked and/or replaced.
 
If he doesn't have a vacuum leak and the entire ignition system is correct.....then maybe a tight valve....I know valve lash has been checked and rechecked...I've also seen it give some pretty good techs fits before... trying to follow a cam manufacturers instructions. JMO
 
Anyway good luck to your son...and keep us posted on the results....i'm sure he's crazy for a test drive with the Vette hittin' on all eight cylinders after all the work he's done.     Thumbs Up
Re: Son's 88 running on only 5 cylinders (original post) (9/18)
 7/9/12 8:09pm
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are you sure about the compression. sounds like a valve that hasn't seated .  did you do a leak down test.

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Re: Son's 88 running on only 5 cylinders (original post) (10/18)
 7/9/12 11:57pm
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I got a cap that was defective once...check the cap for continuity

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Re: Son's 88 running on only 5 cylinders (original post) (11/18)
 7/30/12 6:55am
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So what did the shop find on your sons' Vette ?

Re: Son's 88 running on only 5 cylinders (original post) (12/18)
 7/30/12 10:23am
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Years ago I helped a friend with an engine that was exhibiting the same symptoms.  It was difficult to set the timing where it idled on its own, and always had a 2 or 3 cyl miss. He futzed with it for weeks, and finally implored me to make the hour drive to help him. Took me about 5 minutes to find it:


He had been given a distributor for a V6 engine.  There were only 6 firing points on the rotor/stator. A V8 engine needs 8.  No wonder it ran "funny".
Re: Son's 88 running on only 5 cylinders (original post) (13/18)
 8/2/12 12:38pm
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DaveP85C4 said: Years ago I helped a friend with an engine that was exhibiting the same symptoms.  It was difficult to set the timing where it idled on its own, and always had a 2 or 3 cyl miss. He futzed with it for weeks, and finally implored me to make the hour drive to help him. Took me about 5 minutes to find it:


He had been given a distributor for a V6 engine.  There were only 6 firing points on the rotor/stator. A V8 engine needs 8.  No wonder it ran "funny".



That IS funny! I'll bet he was PO'ed that he had been given the wrong distributor! Angry
Well, after a couple of weeks at a regular shop, it STILL runs on 5 cylinders. This mechanic has repeated the leak-down test, regular compression test, swapped injectors, and even installed another new distributor. And the car is on the second set of plug wires since the build. NOTHING has changed it one bit. The intake has been taken off and resealed, the fuel presssure and flow have been checked after a new pump was installed....nothing. Every tech in the garage has looked it over and no one has been able to find the problem. They are contemplating the removal of the new cam and the installation of the old one. At this point it is sheer desperation.Unhappy


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Re: Son's 88 running on only 5 cylinders (original post) (14/18)
 8/3/12 12:30pm
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Almost sounds like the new cam has the lobes in the wrong location or something.  Build for an engine with a different firing order, maybe?  That would be a reason why compression test is good, and all other components appearing to be working properly?

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Re: Son's 88 running on only 5 cylinders (original post) (15/18)
 8/3/12 1:02pm
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Which specific 3 cylinders are not firing?
Are those 3 cylinders completely dead?
Does it sputter/pop/backfire/fart/belch?
Are the plugs on those 3 cylinders fuel fouled, or clean?

Depending on the answers to the above questions, I would be leaning towards an ignition issue, assuming the compression is right in all of the cylinders. The pole piece/pick-up coil in the distributor could cause goofy stuff like this, as could the ignition module itself. I have also seen HEI rotors that would kill some cylinders, but not all.
And...."new" don't mean JACK....ever had a new light bulb that blew as soon as you turned the light on?
It may well turn out to be a problem with the cam, but if so, it should be backfiring or something, and it would have to be an even number of cylinders not firing, if it had the incorrect firing order. I wonder if he wound up with a cam for a Marine application? Some marine engines run backwards, and the cams are ground accordingly, but the teeth for the distributor gear would be "correct".
This is one of those absolutely frustrating situations, where you've checked everything that makes sense to check, but there's no hope in sight. That's when it's time to start checking stoopid stuff...like plug gaps.




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Re: Son's 88 running on only 5 cylinders (original post) (16/18)
 8/4/12 1:01am
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Adams' Apple said:  I wonder if he wound up with a cam for a Marine application? Some marine engines run backwards, and the cams are ground accordingly, but the teeth for the distributor gear would be "correct".

I work on boats and yachts professionally. Have been for 30+  years. "Reverse rotation" camshafts that are intended for use with a timing chain (oil pump and distributor turn in standard CW direction) change the firing order for all cyls.

For a Chevrolet (big or small block) the reverse firing order is 1-2-7-5-6-3-4-8.  Imagine the "1" at the right end of that chain, then read the order from right to left. Interesting, huh?  When I proof the firing order on a reverse rotation, I just follow the wires around the distributor CCW using the we-all-know-it 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2.

They didn't install a reverse rotation cam in the OP's engine.  It wouldn't run. Because with a standard rotation starter motor, all intake events would occur on piston up-stroke,  and exhaust events would occur on the down-stroke.  Interesting out-of-the-box thinking, though.

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Re: Son's 88 running on only 5 cylinders (original post) (17/18)
 8/4/12 10:37am
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Dave, I have to think out of the box...they won't let me in anymore.....LOL

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Re: Son's 88 running on only 5 cylinders (original post) (18/18)
 8/4/12 9:40pm
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just recently purchased a MSD dist, cap put it on and it had a dead miss on two cylinders first checked that the wires were in the right place fine so I removed cap and found a hairline crack in between posts very hard to see, turned out all the lights so it was very dark and sure enough lightning storm, try it turn off all the lights in the your garage off and start the engine and look for lightning storm around cap if so replace it and it shought be ok. and like I said the crack was very hard to see the cap was probably dropped during shippment. good luck trust your gut and weed out the easy stuff first then dig deeper. always write down what youve done and trust your abilities.
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