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The service engine soon light is on..how do you check the codes?

Posted: 8/17/12 10:52am Message 1 of 15
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My 85 service engine soon light comes on.  How do you check the codes for the problem?  It comes on then goes out after a while.  When the light is on, the car is a little sluggish.
 
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Re: The service engine soon light is on..how do you check the codes?

Posted: 8/17/12 11:09am Message 2 of 15
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Buy yourself a OBD 1 .......... great tool to have around.
 
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Jumper the two terminals below, then turn on the key...don't start it, just turn the key to "Run". Count the number of "flashes" from the Check Engine light. For example, a code "12" would be one flash, followed by a short pause, then two quick flashes. A code 32 would be 3 flashes, pause, two quick flashes. It will repeat each code 3 times.
Check for codes, and then let us know what it has....Thumbs Up
btw..it should always start with a code 12...this simply means the ECM has gone into diagnostic mode.

 




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Posted: 8/17/12 11:13am Message 3 of 15
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how do I jumper a&b and where are these located?


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Posted: 8/17/12 2:56pm Message 4 of 15
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TEN A C said: how do I jumper a&b and where are these located?


It's commonly referred to as the "DLC""....it's the connector where a scan tool would be plugged in....located under the dash on the drivers side...use a paper clip to connect the two terminals together.


Re: The service engine soon light is on..how do you check the codes?

Posted: 8/17/12 11:11pm Message 5 of 15
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CaledoniaBrian said:
btw..it should always start with a code 12...this simply means the ECM has gone into diagnostic mode.

Yes, it should always display Code !2.  But Code 12 really means "No distributor reference pulses received".

 Because the engine is not running, there are no reference pulses, and Code 12 displays. When engine is not running, and NOT in diagnostic mode, CEL is lit solid. Like it would be for any other soft-code. A soft code is one that turns off the light when the conditions to set the code cease to exist. Start the engine, and reference pulses ARE received, and the "Code 12" goes away, and the light goes out.

The light is always lit with the key on, engine off. Because there is always a Code 12 in this state. Short A&B to enter diagnostic mode, and the light flashes the code.  That's what indicates you've entered code-retrevial mode: The flashing CEL.

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Posted: 8/18/12 6:10am Message 6 of 15
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DaveP85C4 said:
CaledoniaBrian said:
btw..it should always start with a code 12...this simply means the ECM has gone into diagnostic mode.

Yes, it should always display Code !2.  But Code 12 really means "No distributor reference pulses received".

 Because the engine is not running, there are no reference pulses, and Code 12 displays. When engine is not running, and NOT in diagnostic mode, CEL is lit solid. Like it would be for any other soft-code. A soft code is one that turns off the light when the conditions to set the code cease to exist. Start the engine, and reference pulses ARE received, and the "Code 12" goes away, and the light goes out.

The light is always lit with the key on, engine off. Because there is always a Code 12 in this state. Short A&B to enter diagnostic mode, and the light flashes the code.  That's what indicates you've entered code-retrevial mode: The flashing CEL.


 

Thanks...makes total sence, and you are right of course.





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Posted: 8/18/12 8:04am Message 7 of 15
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It's the wierdest thing.  I checked under the dash and I don't see anything that looks like the plug in.  I know on other cars when you get the emisions tested they use the plug in.  My 85 seems to be missing that port.  Is it possible that it's been relocated?  I took the plastic piece down from under the steering column and I don't see anything.

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Posted: 8/18/12 8:09am Message 8 of 15
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Driver's side.....to the right....under dash. There may be a plastic cover on it that will pull off. I'm sure it's there.



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Posted: 8/18/12 1:28pm Message 9 of 15
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Whew, okay, I found it.  Someone had tucked it way up inside under the dash area.  The code I get is 43....it flashed the 1 then 2....then it flashed 4 then 3...
 
Is this an urgent issue?  what does it mean and can it be fixed or do I need to do something myself to the care.
 
Thanks for your patience....I'm new at trying to fix this car....I can't do everything, most things, but it's helpful to know before I take it to a mechanic.
 
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Posted: 8/18/12 2:06pm Message 10 of 15
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OK, now you have somewhere to start.......if you google obd1 gm codes you should find a list of code numbers and what they stand for.
 
 
code 43 = knock sensor or electronic spark control circuit fault
below copied from another web site: remember google is your friend
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CODE 43

Trouble Code 43 indicates that there may be a malfunction in the Electronic Spark Control (ESC) circuit.

ESC is used to sense spark knock (pinging) and retard the timing to eliminate it. A knock sensor (located at the rear of the engine block) sends signals to an ESC module which then signals the ECM that knocking is being detected. The ECM will retard the timing by as much as 20 degrees in 1 degree increments. A loss of knock sensor signal or loss of ground at the ESC module will cause the signal at the ECM to remain high. The ECM will act as if no knock is present, and may possibly result in engine damage, if there is detonation.

Loss of the ESC signal to the ECM will cause the ECM to constantly retard the timing to its maximum. This results in sluggish performance and a Code 43.

The conditions for setting this code are:

  • Engine is running
  • ESC input signal has been low more than 2.23 seconds


Typical causes for this code include:

1) Open or shorted knock sensor
2) Loose knock sensor
3) Excessive mechanical noise within engine
4) Improper or incorrectly installed PROM or CALPACK in the ECM or defective ECM
5) Intermittent open in the EST line to the ignition module

 


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