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Bandera, TX - USA
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Vette(s): one ea. 1996 LT1, red on gray interior, stroker 383 Dart heads w/ 2.02"int,1.60exeh 11.8:1, Comp Cam 230/236@50 .570/.576 113LSA , Crane 1.6:1`rocker arms, GM Delphi roller lifters HiFlo Cats, Xpipe and low restriction muffles, it sounds lumpy at idle!!!
Hello everyone I am new to C4VR. I have finally found others who are working on their C4's
I am using font size 2 and bold, easier for me to read. Oh yea, Save the Wave!!!!!!!!!! Youall
I have been kicking around installing a manual shift feature in my 4L60E trans which is OE in my 1996 base. The motor is built up by ATK, they supply NAPA. The motor has a Scat 3.75 383ci crank, Dart heads 2.02/1.60 valves, 11.8:1 compression, Comp cam w/230/236 @.50 .570/.576 113*LSA and Crane roller rockers @ 1.6:1 lift.
I need to understand what is available or at least how it works for the transmission. The car already has 2400 rpm lockup stall converter. All my driving is in the Texas Hill Country, there is a need to drop down a gear or two for engine braking and driving out of the corners.
My brother and I are planning to go on the Hot Rod Power Tour in June. The tour starts in Detroit and ends in Dallas which is only 200 miles North of where I live. We will get a first hand look at drag racing and the special equipment that is used. I went to a drag race a while back for the first time ever. As we walked through the pits we met a man from DFW whose crew were a no show. My son and I jumped in to help pit for him and we are hooked on race fuel and GMC superchargers. No matter what you see on TV those cars are really sudden. Once they start they are just gone!!! The TV lens does not capture the effect. JRBSPONSOR AD:: (Our Sponsors help support C4VR)
I had PATC build a Raptor tranny for mine complete with 9.5" converter (2800 stall) http://www.transmissioncenter.net/4L60E.htm including modifying the valve body to hold it in the gear selected. You might try talking to them since they're at your backdoor. Trans has worked perfectly. They have all the pieces to make it more reliable and one of the few companies who tell you what they are putting inside the "black box". Some articles suggest 4L60E's are pretty fragile when you start making power above stock.

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Vette(s): 1985 Coupe-L98/Auto,Bright Red/Carmine.
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What exactly do you mean by "manual shift feature"? The shifter itself will accomplish downshifts, and upshifts, and it requires manually moving it...
Just messin with ya!
But really...what are you looking to do with the trans? The stock 4L60 will handle a slight increase in torque, but banging on it will end in failure. Weak points are the sun shell, planets, and, in high torque applications, the input shaft. All of these things have aftermarket replacements that will give good service. Even GM has addressed most of the parts failure with upgraded stuff...now that they no longer use the trans! Typical....they finally get them all sorted out, and reliable, then come out with a new design that's a piece of crap....

Just messin with ya!

But really...what are you looking to do with the trans? The stock 4L60 will handle a slight increase in torque, but banging on it will end in failure. Weak points are the sun shell, planets, and, in high torque applications, the input shaft. All of these things have aftermarket replacements that will give good service. Even GM has addressed most of the parts failure with upgraded stuff...now that they no longer use the trans! Typical....they finally get them all sorted out, and reliable, then come out with a new design that's a piece of crap....
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Vette(s): one ea. 1996 LT1, red on gray interior, stroker 383 Dart heads w/ 2.02"int,1.60exeh 11.8:1, Comp Cam 230/236@50 .570/.576 113LSA , Crane 1.6:1`rocker arms, GM Delphi roller lifters HiFlo Cats, Xpipe and low restriction muffles, it sounds lumpy at idle!!!
I am not trying to bang on the trans so much as use it for engine braking. The hill country is like a large twisty track that goes on forever and a lot of it has very little traffic. I am not racing just driving quickly!
I talked to my local tuner this afternoon and he has already done this modification on his own C5. He also explained to me how they would build a 153 tooth flexplate by removing the 168 tooth then measuring the 168 weight then installing the same on the smaller 153 I also have all of the build data for the crankshaft, rods, pistons bearings, Mallory metal and so on. (Don't try this at home ;)
The 168 tooth was installed by mistake. That in turn caused problems with the starter and the CAT. The starter bolts have come loose three time, now the teeth on the flexplate are chewed up. I used the correct screws with the knurling on them to prevent the loosening.
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So, you want a quicker downshift when you use the shifter? Sounds like you need a reprogram for the PCM, to change the shifts points and pressure, which is what I'm assuming your tuner guy has done to his car?
I've driven some sweeeet roads in the Hill country down there...gets yer heart a-pumpin! Not so much fun at night, tho... gotta watch them deer...and coons...and armerdillys....
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I've driven some sweeeet roads in the Hill country down there...gets yer heart a-pumpin! Not so much fun at night, tho... gotta watch them deer...and coons...and armerdillys....

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Vette(s): one ea. 1996 LT1, red on gray interior, stroker 383 Dart heads w/ 2.02"int,1.60exeh 11.8:1, Comp Cam 230/236@50 .570/.576 113LSA , Crane 1.6:1`rocker arms, GM Delphi roller lifters HiFlo Cats, Xpipe and low restriction muffles, it sounds lumpy at idle!!!
Adam, The manual shift kit is all hard parts. I will need a rachet shifter to get the most from it. I would like to see if there is a way to control the lockup on the torque converter, maybe add a bypass switch. I maybe just dreaming outloud and not at all certain that these changes will work. You must remember that this C4 is not for racing unless we are talking about Sanderson to Ft. Stockton. What is that called? The Big Bend Rally or Race?
I talked with Willie at Fuel Injection Specialties
< http://www.fuelinjection.com/ > He has been a wealth of information. The company is owned by Tracy Meinert who has been tuning and racing cars and building wiring harness's for a good while. She has been to West Texas, Texas Mile, and Bonniville. She has a dyno at her shop. The shop is professional, well organized. They send the transmission work out to a shop next door.
FIS also cleans injectors, a friend of mine has used that service and tells me that the injectors were good as new. JRB
Judge Roy Bean said: I would like to see if there is a way to control the lockup on the torque converter, maybe add a bypass switch.
Easily done, just install a switch on the wire from the brake switch to trans that supplies the TCC powerWhen switch is open , it prevents lockup
If you want full manual control of lockup then install the switch on the wire from trans to PCM and run the wire to ground .
When closed you have lockup
Wired as above ,in both setups you still have unlock when the brakes are applied
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First off, this thread is over a year old. Not sure if Judge Roy Bean is still interested in this or not.....
Second, Mr. Bean has a 1996. The 96 4L60e transmission utilizes a "PWM" Torque Converter Clutch strategy. (1995 was first year of PWM TCC). The converter clutch lining and the solenoid and valving is different in a PWM'd TCC than the earlier non-PWM 4L60 and 700 transmissions. Damage will occur if the TCC solenoid is commanded full on by full-grounding the ECM control side (tan/blk wire) at all times, if the transmission valving and ECM strategy isn't first modified for non-PWM operation.
Second, Mr. Bean has a 1996. The 96 4L60e transmission utilizes a "PWM" Torque Converter Clutch strategy. (1995 was first year of PWM TCC). The converter clutch lining and the solenoid and valving is different in a PWM'd TCC than the earlier non-PWM 4L60 and 700 transmissions. Damage will occur if the TCC solenoid is commanded full on by full-grounding the ECM control side (tan/blk wire) at all times, if the transmission valving and ECM strategy isn't first modified for non-PWM operation.
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Vette(s): one ea. 1996 LT1, red on gray interior, stroker 383 Dart heads w/ 2.02"int,1.60exeh 11.8:1, Comp Cam 230/236@50 .570/.576 113LSA , Crane 1.6:1`rocker arms, GM Delphi roller lifters HiFlo Cats, Xpipe and low restriction muffles, it sounds lumpy at idle!!!
I am still around and do appreciate your comments. I run hot and cold with the internet. I will check with a transmission shop about installing a switch on the torque converter, that is the sort of solution I have been looking for. Thanks to you all. JRB
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