Topic: 95 running rough with some pinging
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My stock 95 typically runs great. Yesterday after work, I started it up and it started running rough. Quite rough at idle, but also running a little rough while driving, as well. It does smooth out some while driving, but I can still tell that it's rough compared to its usual very smooth running. It is also pinging a bit under load. This is all not typical at all. It never pings and typically runs so smoothly. It does still start up right away without any issue.
The other thing, and I don't know if they're related, is that the other day, it seemed to get "stuck" at a somewhat higher idle, around 1100. Turned off the engine and restarted, and it idled normal again. Apparently, this also happened once before, a few days earlier, when my husband was driving it.
No engine light on. I think that would mean no codes, but I could be wrong.
A visual inspection showed nothing loose or no broken looking lines. Also, checked TPS voltage from idle position to WOT, and was in specs, rose normally as expected from .58 up to 4.01.
Any ideas/suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
The other thing, and I don't know if they're related, is that the other day, it seemed to get "stuck" at a somewhat higher idle, around 1100. Turned off the engine and restarted, and it idled normal again. Apparently, this also happened once before, a few days earlier, when my husband was driving it.
No engine light on. I think that would mean no codes, but I could be wrong.
A visual inspection showed nothing loose or no broken looking lines. Also, checked TPS voltage from idle position to WOT, and was in specs, rose normally as expected from .58 up to 4.01.
Any ideas/suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
~Laurie~
1985 and 1995 coupes:

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Hmmm how old is the old fuel filter? I know you have a different engine block but always good to check spark plug wires and the cap. On the L98 the distributor sits just barely under the firewall and if the wires aren't just right - rubs off the insulation and sparks start free jumping... but I know, you don't have the L98. Also good to check the air filter. Just some thoughts.
Thank you. I'm not sure when the fuel filter was last replaced, if ever. Will check it out.
~Laurie~
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Laurie,
I know little about 95s. Symptoms sound like it could be a vacuum leak of some sort. Vacuum leaks can cause it to run lean which results in hot cylinders which could cause pinging and erratic idle.
Check all the hoses, throttle body and anything attached to the intake manifold for leaks. The clean way is to use propane. NOT lots of propane but a little propane torch with the valve cracked open but not lit. The dirty way is carb cleaner or the like. When you hit a leak the idle will smooth out, and when you stop spraying it'll get rough again. go around all the seams where gaskets are and mounting bolts etc. When you check hoses the smallest crack will cause a vacuum leak.
Since there are no codes or check engine light I'd almost bet there's a leak. A misfire won't generally cause pinging as the misfiring cylinder would be wet with fuel and cool.
Good luck
Steve
If it isn't broke, I haven't fixed it yet....

I had thought about a vacuum leak, but I'm wondering about a few things.
1. It starts right up with no issue at all.
2. It's not just a rough idle - it's a rough ride in general, just moreso at idle. And I mean, car-shaking rough, not just "lopey."
3. This came on very, very suddenly. In the morning, it ran like a champ. Not a hint of problem. That very afternoon, I started it up and it immediately was rough, even though it started right up.
4. There is a "rich" smell when running the car - like too much fuel in the mix.
Would vacuum leak still be a likely possibility under all of these circumstances? I've not dealt with one before.
Thanks.
~Laurie~
1985 and 1995 coupes:

Oh, I think I agree I'm afraid. I didn't realize it was running crappy in general. I didn't read your post thoroughly.
I too wonder what's going on as an engine running rich usually won't ping. Break out the shop manual I guess. Something is going on that's not good. You might do a sniff check of the oil to see if fuel is getting in there. Could indicate an injector hanging open.
If it isn't broke, I haven't fixed it yet....

Oh, I hope it's not injector-related, but I'll take a whiff tonight when I get home. Hopefully, will be able to sort it out sooner rather than later. Hate to have the car sitting and not be able to drive it. Before this issue, the car ran like a top.
~Laurie~
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A vacuum leak can certainly cause all of the symptoms...depending on where the leak actually is.
Another possibility is an EGR valve that is stuck open.
Unfortunately, the most common cause for symptoms like these is a problem with the Opti-Spark, or the ignition module. An ignition problem can rear it's ugly head at any given moment, with no notice.
Just because the Check Engine light is not on doesn't mean it has not set any codes. I would have it scanned while it is running....once you turn the key off, any soft codes will be gone.
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Joel, I've pulled codes from my 85 before, but without the engine running. I used a paperclip. I know I can do the paperclip on the 95, but how do you do codes while the engine is running? If it is setting one while running, I'd like to see what it is to help me know whether or not I'm barking up the right tree.
Steve, took a whiff of the oil. I felt I detected some fuel scent, but my husband doesn't think so. Well, there you have it LOL.
~Laurie~
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Oh, and EGR valve looked fine upon visual inspection, so I think it's not stuck open.
~Laurie~
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