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Posted: 1/9/10 5:38pm Message 11 of 34
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I bought a full set (16) of Accel injectors for "The Beast" from Summit Racing in the spring of 2007.  They had the best price at the time and the car has run great since.
 
 
fwiw - an engine will find its own optimum operating temperature whether it has a 160, 180, or whatever temp thermostat.  When the thermostat opens at a lower coolant temperature the engine just takes longer to reach that optimum operating temperature. 

When the thermostat is operating properly and an engine is running too hot or overheating putting in a lower temperature thermostat is not going to solve the problem.  There are other issues in the cooling system that need to be resolved to get the operating temperature back down to where it should be.
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Posted: 1/9/10 6:20pm Message 12 of 34
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I bought a full set (16) of Accel injectors for "The Beast" from Summit Racing in the spring of 2007.  They had the best price at the time and the car has run great since.
 
 
fwiw - an engine will find its own optimum operating temperature whether it has a 160, 180, or whatever temp thermostat.  When the thermostat opens at a lower coolant temperature the engine just takes longer to reach that optimum operating temperature. 

When the thermostat is operating properly and an engine is running too hot or overheating putting in a lower temperature thermostat is not going to solve the problem.  There are other issues in the cooling system that need to be resolved to get the operating temperature back down to where it should be.
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This is the reason that I don't offer advice very often and will now stop once again.  SOMEBODY always has to throw 2 cents worth of bullcrap out that makes them sound as if they know what they are talking about.  I NEVER said anything about any engine not running right so they should put in a lower theremostat to make it run  right.  Nor , at any time did I intimate, that there was any problems with temperature of said engines.  Boy, do some people misconstrue things so they can sound important to themselves.  I, personally , have NEVER heard of an engine "finding" its own "optimum" operating temperature.  What a crock.  Where in the heck, did you come up with this little jewel of wisdom?  I only said the I, PERSONALLY, like MY engines to run COOL !!



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Posted: 1/9/10 7:28pm Message 13 of 34
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guys lets take it easy please. maybe a little more explanation is what is needed here as some would not know about this. and please dont hesitate to correct me if i am wrong as i din't find this out until after i installed the hypertech chip (right now it is out of car but may put it back).

with the chips that go into the computers, the settings are optimized for higher performance and the engine (this is what i was told) will run better at cooler temperatures. the chip controls when the fans turn on and are set to turn on at 160. so if you didn't put in a lower stat (like me) once  your fans came on they would not shut off (like mine).

the computer controls everything these days but there are other changes that should be made when you put in an upgraded chip. as i said i din't change stat and fans were on all the time.

russ please keep offering your input. as i said this is how things can be learned. not every can have the same opinion on things.

if anything i said about the chips is wrong please advise as some of this is new to me too and i am going by what people tell me and have to take in what everyone says and determine the best course to follow. i would also like to know if the air foil (in your opinion) has made a significant difference in the performance. thanks dave





















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Posted: 1/9/10 8:28pm Message 14 of 34
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Sorry, perhaps "optimum" wasn't the correct word to have used.  Based on having owned many pre-computer controlled as well as several computer controlled vehicles I obviously shouldn't have even interjected the "in MY expeirience" "2 cents worth of bullcrap" - fwiw.  I apologize for the oversight.


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Posted: 1/9/10 8:49pm Message 15 of 34
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Okay, Eddie.......one more time , for you
 
The Hypertech chip does TWO important things....(1) it will adjust the timing and advance spark control for OPTIMUM Performance at WOT (Wide Open Throttle) and ....(2) it will turn on and off your cooling fans at a pre-set temperature.......It WILL NOT effect your idle or normal driving ranges.  Typically, the 160 Degree Thermostat is installed with the THERMOMASTER chip because the chip turns on the fans at 171 degrees and turns them off at 162 degrees (plus or minus a degree or two , depending).....this will result in your engine temperature to run optimally in that temperature range.  Use ONLY a TOP QUALITY thermostat.....as it will be opening and closing more often than a 190 or 210.  This will result in your engine running quite a bit cooler....which is a good thing in warmer climates.  You can also get a 180 degree set-up from Hypertech and others , which I reccomend for cooler climates, such as NJ in winter.  You also must install a matching temp sensor (goes between plugs 6 & 8 on the block) so the cooling fans get the right signal thru the relay to turn off and on at the right times. This all will result in your water temp running consistantly between 160 and 177 degrees and that should be enough to keep your heater pushing out warm enough air to keep you comfortable.  I, PERSONALLY, have found the set-up to be quite good and the performance more than I had hoped for.  There is an old racers adage ( and I am old!!)........COOLER air IN equals more horsepower OUT !!!   I know that you all are now going to hear from all those wanna be mechanics about how their car runs great at 220 degrees because Chevy designed it that way.  They DID.....because of emmision standards---nothing else....and it robs horsepower and fuel milage.  I will not argue this anymore with any of you  "experts".  Look it up. ......................... MY, MY, getting touchy in my old age !!!
 
As for the air foil.......it does what it is designed to do, and it does it well.....that is to smooth out the air turbulence that is incoming to the throttle body.  Most of your aftermarket 52mm throttle bodies have these already integrated into the design.  If not, put one in and be happy!!  I cannot attest that it does great things...but I will say it does do good things.  Fair enough??
 
I hope this helps you , Eddie.  If you have any more questions, please PM me.  I have over 35 years experience twisting wrenches and building race engines for street and strip.....but I do not profess to know it all.......I'm still learning every day.
 
Good luck........mainly----HAVE FUN !!!!
 
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Posted: 1/10/10 6:20am Message 16 of 34
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thanks for the info. also sorry that some feathers got ruffled as i didn't mean that to happen. as i said previously there is a lot of info that can be shared and learned from. just wish people didn't have to get upset while doing it.




















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Posted: 1/10/10 6:58am Message 17 of 34
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[QUOTE=eddie20890]thanks for the info. also sorry that some feathers got ruffled as i didn't mean that to happen. as i said previously there is a lot of info that can be shared and learned from. just wish people didn't have to get upset while doing it. [/QUOTE]
 
Yep--this thread has gone the way of others I've seen online. "Norsky" was simply expressing his OPINION--I'm pretty sure (although I'm not a real "EXPERT") that's how a OPEN FORUM is supposed to work. Now that you've found the only real "EXPERT" here you'll be able to PM back and forth sharing that wealth of knowledge. LOL



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Posted: 1/10/10 9:20am Message 18 of 34
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PLEASE STOP!!!!.... yes this is an open forum and yes there are some people that have a lot of experience or just back yard mechanics like myself. the idea is to exchange info and ideas in a friendly manner. if someone posts something you dont like either ignore it or try steering him in the right direction and not get insulted and start downing that person. maybe he didnt express what he was trying to say the right way.

on the c3 site, everyone expresses their opinions and if something that is said is not exactly right someone usually nicely points it out and it is discussed. no one is made to feel like an idiot or insulted. that is why there we tell people to ask anything as there is no stupid question and everyone tries to help others out.

i apologize to Norsky, as i know him from the c3 site and he has always tried to help people. i, also, apologize to russ if he felt like anyone was making him feel like he didn't know what he was talking about.

as this is an open forum, i will not be PMing anyone for more info. i do have a question about something russ said but will not ask it because i dont want to upset russ or have anyone else get upset in the process.

i am sorry to all the members that this got "out of control".





















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Posted: 1/10/10 9:33am Message 19 of 34
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Gentlemen...this is getting out of hand. The opinions expressed are those of the individual posters. Take what information you need/want/believe from any of it. Please do NOT resort to bashing another poster simply due to a mis-understood post, or a difference of opinion.
The forum is a place to share info/knowledge and such. Some folks have good results with one method/part, some have bad results with the same method/part. Doesn't mean it doesn't work...just may not work for everyone. Russ and Norsky are simply stating what they have had experience with. Let's leave it at that.
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