Each *built* motor has specific needs and stock engines do well with others, in this case its the StageIII from FIC in the stock motors...these have worked very well across the board on plenty of engines.
Accell injectors work well in motors as well....no doubt.
Accell injectors have worked well in stock and built motors.
Many have used Accell and like them, same as FIC StageIII .

And from the other question about the stock injectors not being worth anything; if they are Mulltecs,...NO...Thats just another fact.
I dont know who rebuilds Mulltecs for performance, nor do I know of anybody that has said they took out of their car another the correct size and brand of injectors and replaced them with Mulltecs and the Mulltecs performed better (it may have happened, I have never heard it).


This thread has plenty of good information for different engines, and good info for stock engines as well.
Copy and print the info you need from Norsky and Russ (and/or others), good stuff written.





Jim

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[QUOTE=Adams' Apple]Gentlemen...this is getting out of hand. The opinions expressed are those of the individual posters. Take what information you need/want/believe from any of it. Please do NOT resort to bashing another poster simply due to a mis-understood post, or a difference of opinion.
The forum is a place to share info/knowledge and such. Some folks have good results with one method/part, some have bad results with the same method/part. Doesn't mean it doesn't work...just may not work for everyone. Russ and Norsky are simply stating what they have had experience with. Let's leave it at that.
Thanks
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Sooo...Dave...
Are you saying that you have now a set of Accell infectors that are rated incorrectly for your engine, and those are the ones they won't accept as cores, or as rebuildable?
I was under the impression that the Accells were fully rebuildable, but I could be wrong there. If that's the case, you might put them up for sale to someone that maybe needs a higher flow infector set...

OKAY ONE AND ALL-----I apoligize for anything that I may have said that upset you all so much.  I had no intention to ruffle anybodys feathers.  I was trying to impart what meager information I possessed to the question that was relative to the original thread.  If my "highlighting" certain words or phrases was taken as anything other than my intent to throw a little more emphasis on the content, then I am sorry.  In reading back over my posts, I see that I did take a small umbrage that might have been better to overlook.  For that I do apoligize once more, other than that I did strive to answer the questions as best I could. 

Lets just all "play" nice !!

this is the last word on what happened. let's put it to rest and get back to what this is all about---sharing information between people. i am not in the auto business in any capacity, but i have been working on cars for quite a while. as i am fairly mechanical, i can do a lot of things myself. i have learned by reading manuals, watching others, sometimes experimenting, but mostly from others who were kind enough to share information they had. i have learned thru the years that the old saying no one will tell you everything is true to some point and that's why i have always listened to everyone and pick out things that pertain to what i need. sometimes when someone says something i have a tendency to question it so i understand it completely. it is not meant to make anyone feel that i dont believe them. THE END.

now back to the original topic--injectors. i had bought a set of accel injectors from mid america that were 24# and they had told me they would work fine in my car even though it called for 22#. about three months later (end of march) the car was hit and not driven. in may, FIC, joined as a supporting vendor and i asked if the info i got about the 24# injectors was correct. he explained that the car at an idle, the computer could adjust easily but at higher speeds it couldn't and the car would run rich (which it does). said that putting in the 22# would not only correct that, it would save me money on gas and also leaving it run rich it would eventually ruin the catalytic converter (which is new).  he said he would sell me a set of the 22# and that he could get a hundred dollars for the accels and take that off the price.

the car has zero miles on it since then as it is in the shop. it is almost done and i was considering replacing the injectors from what fic told me. i contacted him and he wouldn't discount the price and said the accels were worth nothing.

now i am in a spot that i am unsure of what to do. as russ stated he has 24# in his car and a 52mm t/b and the car runs fine and that the increase in air coming in will compensate for the different injectors (at least thats how i understood what he said). as i had replace my t/b with a 52mm, technically i have the same set up.
 
does anyone have an opinion, whether pro or con, to change the injectors or to leave them. i am not looking for an endorsement for fic. i just don't understand the sudden change of their worth (accels). are all accels multi-tec as nowhere on the box does it say multi-tec? thanks for any ino i can get. dave 

Eddie---I will write about my 96 LT1.
Until my dyno guy adjusted the computer, it was set to run 14:1 fuel ratio...14 parts air to one part fuel.
Basically it didnt matter what size TB or injectors I put on it...the computer would still limit the amount of air vs. fuel....a tune guy can go into the computer and change the ratio *if* the engine is built and can actually consume that amount of air and fuel.
With my build (ported, different cam, bored, different crank ratio,ect...) my engine still performed its best with #22 injectors, my tune guy tweaked the computer to make these perform the best.....my engine performed better with #22 injectors and a 13:1 ratio --vs. #24 injectors at a 14:1 ratio....its all a matter of balance.

Think of the old days....a person just didnt drop an 1150 CFM Holley on a stock engine and that engine became a dragster....that engine had to have all the right components to utilize the 1150 CFM (cam, bore, crank, heads, ect...).

I say put the #22 StageIII Bosch injectors in your car because that is all it will require until you do more mods...just putting a larger TB, headers, a flash tune, and making your engine run cooler will not require #24 injectors...as you were told, it will run richer, and yours does.
Accell make injectors, Mulltecs are the stock injectors that came on the car from GM.
Though FIC may not want the #24 injectors, somebody is building an engine and will need them.


I hope this helps.


Jim

One more thing...a hand held "flash tuner" will NOT adjust the fuel ratio...EPA wont let them,.
Thats why you have to have your tuner guy do it...and its best to do it on a dyno.....this way you are checking idle and WOT, a good tuner can tell you exactly what components are needed and which ones are a waste of money to add to your car with how it is built (stock or modded).

Not sure the '90 models with the L98 are flash-programable....I believe all of the operating data is burned on the Prom(chip). That's why we older folks have to swap Proms to get a different performance "tune". My '85 has a Hypertech prom, which really only effects WOT settings for fuel & ign. Don't know off-hand if the '90 ECM is the same, tho.....
I agree that a proper dyno tune would really wake one up, whether stock OR modified.

[QUOTE=Adams' Apple]Not sure the '90 models with the L98 are flash-programable....I believe all of the operating data is burned on the Prom(chip). That's why we older folks have to swap Proms to get a different performance "tune". My '85 has a Hypertech prom, which really only effects WOT settings for fuel & ign. Don't know off-hand if the '90 ECM is the same, tho.....
I agree that a proper dyno tune would really wake one up, whether stock OR modified.

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Yeah...thats why I listed my car as a 96...so nobody would be confused at what I was getting at when it comes to having so many parameters to adjust.

Man, the difference in technology changed a lot each of the 5 years.

Your 85
his 90 L98
95-96LT1

 Here is a thread for installing StgIII on a 1992....... has good pictures!